Exercise your freedom.

[Shooter]

I've probably been a lot more successful than you have with your pathetic life, a grown man acting like a little 13 yr old *****.

HAHAHAHA, how?

I'm ashamed to live in the same place as these people, seriously.

What's stopping you from leaving?

No one "had to" get rid of anyone, it was their own stupid choice to do it. Apparently they didn't get enough of the complete failures from the GOP the 8 years prior to Obama, so they ask for more. I have really no sympathy and don't think much of anyone who voted for Griffith around here, I'd cut off that clean drinking water Boucher got them and that broadband they probably use, those cell phones they like to use too.

I think you miss the point of what EVERYONE here is saying. It's not that people around here really wanted to lose Boucher. Everyone here is saying it's his relationship with Obama that lost it. Stating a fact, not an opinion of why Boucher should have stayed in office. People are fed up with with what is happening in Washington, and apparantly they were willing to sacrifice locally to put a stop to it nationally.

[steer]

that's it... it's the nation standing up, and sacrificing the small people to make 1 big point.
They're sending a message to the Washington, and hopefully it's heard loud and clear.

[Milk3]

Yesterday was a great day for our nation! Good to know there is still intelligent people in this country :flagwaver:

[R13]

HAHAHAHA, how?



What's stopping you from leaving?





I think you miss the point of what EVERYONE here is saying. It's not that people around here really wanted to lose Boucher. Everyone here is saying it's his relationship with Obama that lost it. Stating a fact, not an opinion of why Boucher should have stayed in office. People are fed up with with what is happening in Washington, and apparantly they were willing to sacrifice locally to put a stop to it nationally.

How? Well at 20, no kids, I'm working on my Bachelors, work in politics and campaigns, have met state senators, delegates, congressman, US Senators, and a former President, in a few years I will have my bachelors I will be running campaign offices(maybe local, maybe another state, depends on where I am sent). Oh and a two-time cancer survivor. Especially compared to that self-proclaimed redneck, I think I'm doing quite well at this age, laugh at it all you want though.


Not much now, since Boucher did lose, I really have began to look at out of state Universities.


No I get what you're saying, I just still think it's bull****, meaning it was just a lot of ignorance just like it is with a lot of views regarding Obama. So if they're really that whacked to oust someone like Boucher, all to send a "message to Obama" who has done a massive amount of things for us in a short amount of time...then **** em, I don't even consider them real virginians if that's the case.

[GC-1]

R13, How? Well at 20, no kids, I'm working on my Bachelors, work in politics and campaigns, have met state senators, delegates, congressman, US Senators, and a former President, in a few years I will have my bachelors I will be running campaign offices(maybe local, maybe another state, depends on where I am sent). Oh and a two-time cancer survivor. Especially compared to that self-proclaimed redneck, I think I'm doing quite well at this age, laugh at it all you want though.

R13, I do respect and admire your fight against cancer. Having family members who have suffered, some who are in remission, I pray for your continued health. But I do hope that with your higher education you could be intelligent enough to see past failed leftist ideas. Obama has brought record debt. I thought Bush had this Nation in bad shape but Obama has topped him and then thrown a trump card on.

Also regarding Griffith lying about Boucher and Cap and Trade? Boucher helped write the Bill, he added some amendments didn't he? An Amendment is part of the Bill, isn't it? An Amendment is writing, isn't it? So a written Amendmant, adeed to a written Bill is writing it, isn't it?

Mr. Boucher felt so invulnerable that last year he made the mindboggling decision to join with green purists to craft the cap-and-trade dagger aimed at his own district—home to thousands of coal jobs. He is a powerful member on the House Energy Committee, and his support helped pull along other reluctant Democrats, earning him a shout out from the White House. It also earned him a target on his back.

You really need to get out of your shell and smell the roses. We can't have 1/2 the nation on the guvmant cheese while raping the other 50% of the population. We need to be creating jobs, not hand cuffing those who would/could create jobs by taxing them to death to pay for Obama's leftist agenda.

Some of the ways he plans to pay for Obamacare are ridiculous. The "penalty" Companies are having to to pay for insuring their employees is crazy. My health insurance premiums are going up over $100 a month due to it, plus when folks find out about good old HR-4646, they will go ape! Here is a little info on the Bill:

The bill is HR-4646 introduced by US Rep Peter deFazio D-Oregon and US Senator Tom Harkin D-Iowa. A one percent transaction tax is proposed. President Obama's finance team is recommending a transaction tax.
This is a 1% tax on all transactions at any financial institution, i.e., Banks, Credit Unions, etc.
Any deposit you make, or move around within your account, i.e. e-transfer to, will have a 1% tax charged.
If your pay check or your social Security or whatever is direct deposited, 1% tax charged.
If you hand carry a check in to deposit, 1% tax charged.
If you take cash in to deposit, 1% tax charged.

Now, do you remember a certain sorry Liar that promised that NO ONE WHO MADE UNDER $250,000 would pay any new taxes? And now he wants to pass Cap and Trade, Penalize my Health Care, and Place a 1% tax on any Bank Transaction I make? And I don't make anywhere NEAR 250,000!!

And here is a link to the WSJ article.Strassel: The Cap-and-Trade Crackup - WSJ.com

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_1...40-504383.html

[Counts]

R13,The bill is HR-4646 introduced by US Rep Peter deFazio D-Oregon and US Senator Tom Harkin D-Iowa. A one percent transaction tax is proposed. President Obama's finance team is recommending a transaction tax.
This is a 1% tax on all transactions at any financial institution, i.e., Banks, Credit Unions, etc.
Any deposit you make, or move around within your account, i.e. e-transfer to, will have a 1% tax charged.
If your pay check or your social Security or whatever is direct deposited, 1% tax charged.
If you hand carry a check in to deposit, 1% tax charged.
If you take cash in to deposit, 1% tax charged.

I heard some folks talking about this at work last week hard to belive it would even be considered

[GC-1]

Counts, they've got to pay for their spending somewhere. I'd say that Bill is dead in the water now. But just to think it would have been possible if the House didn't turn over.

[R13]

[/URL]R13, I do respect and admire your fight against cancer. Having family members who have suffered, some who are in remission, I pray for your continued health.

Thank you very much.

But I do hope that with your higher education you could be intelligent enough to see past failed leftist ideas. Obama has brought record debt. I thought Bush had this Nation in bad shape but Obama has topped him and then thrown a trump card on. [/URL]

Really? Well tell me a little more about that. Obama could put a 1 dollar on it and it be "record debt", I've always thought those shots at Obama were so funny, esp. when Bushes policies have added and will add trillions on to the debt now.

Also regarding Griffith lying about Boucher and Cap and Trade? Boucher helped write the Bill, he added some amendments didn't he? An Amendment is part of the Bill, isn't it? An Amendment is writing, isn't it? So a written Amendmant, adeed to a written Bill is writing it, isn't it?
[/URL]

Uh, no. Congressman Boucher didn't help "write the bill", he was not an author of the bill with Mr. Waxley and Markey when it was written. They wrote it, then present it to the rest of congress, then congress can add an amendment to it if they want..that's what Congressman Boucher did. He added an amendment to the bill for coal companies, it takes an awful lot of pathetic grasping by anyone to assert that he "helped write the bill". He didn't "writing the bill", he added an amendment to the existing bill, that's not "writing it". You and definitely Morgie, are trying to somehow imply that Congressman Boucher sat down and wrote the bill with Waxley/Markey. I mean you both know the truth, yet continue to repeat it in that misleading context.

[/URL]You really need to get out of your shell and smell the roses. We can't have 1/2 the nation on the guvmant cheese while raping the other 50% of the population. We need to be creating jobs, not hand cuffing those who would/could create jobs by taxing them to death to pay for Obama's leftist agenda.

And what taxes have been raised on you or anyone else? List these massive tax hikes...

[/URL]Some of the ways he plans to pay for Obamacare are ridiculous. The "penalty" Companies are having to to pay for insuring their employees is crazy. My health insurance premiums are going up over $100 a month due to it, plus when folks find out about good old HR-4646, they will go ape! Here is a little info on the Bill:

What "penalties"? Could you list them...

And your insurance probably went up because it was set to go up this year, next year too, give a big thank you to your insurance companies for that one. Of course they'll blame it on HCR, but no proof that it has really.

[/URL]The bill is HR-4646 introduced by US Rep Peter deFazio D-Oregon and US Senator Tom Harkin D-Iowa. A one percent transaction tax is proposed. President Obama's finance team is recommending a transaction tax.
This is a 1% tax on all transactions at any financial institution, i.e., Banks, Credit Unions, etc.
Any deposit you make, or move around within your account, i.e. e-transfer to, will have a 1% tax charged.
If your pay check or your social Security or whatever is direct deposited, 1% tax charged.
If you hand carry a check in to deposit, 1% tax charged.
If you take cash in to deposit, 1% tax charged.

Now, do you remember a certain sorry Liar that promised that NO ONE WHO MADE UNDER $250,000 would pay any new taxes? And now he wants to pass Cap and Trade, Penalize my Health Care, and Place a 1% tax on any Bank Transaction I make? And I don't make anywhere NEAR 250,000!!

For someone that tries to come off so well-informed, it's kind of funny that you fell for or expect me to believe a chain email. Here's some fun facts for you...

Neither DeFazio nor Harkin introduced that act, they didn't co-sponsor it, nor publicly support it. Also, President Obama's "finance team" has ever recommended that bill/act, and it is soely the effort of one congressman - Chaka Fattah.

I'd do some research before I go spouting off like that like you just did. Btw, he didn't lie, because he didn't have anything to do with this act supported by one rep. That he never said he wanted or that we needed, it'll NEVER HAPPEN.

Counts, they've got to pay for their spending somewhere. I'd say that Bill is dead in the water now. But just to think it would have been possible if the House didn't turn over.

Hahahahahahahahahah I never thought you to be this far right. You do realize that the bill already is dead, it didn't even clear committee. All before the "House turned" might I add.

How can your education be affected unless your getting it for free. You see there is a thing called loans, yeah those things you pay back. Some of us pay our own way. Hey R13, get out of the cheese line and get in the employment line, its a long one and people are ****ed. You see, a lot of people have more to worry about than what Eminem's new cd is going to sound like. Bills, food, house payments, student loans, etc. Grow up. By the way, the redneck label you give, Im proud to wear it. But at least call me an educated redneck, I went to college also.

Lol And you say you went to college? lmao. Anyway, loss of funding means higher education costs and less opportunities. Again, you being the dumbass you are, somehow assume I'm on financial aid and anything. If you actually did know me, you'd know I'm not eligible for it. I've never gotten one cent of financial aid or a pell grant(though there isn't anything wrong with that at all), it's been paid by by smaller scholar ships and out of pocket. So keep on spouting off like you know me, that "wigger thing" is hilarious, several peolpe have met me on here and they could tell you how full of **** you are on that one. And go ahead and call yourself that, I don't care, it's not seen as a good thing to most people.

I noticed the part about his education also. If he is getting a "free" education, he needs to remember that his education isn't "free". He's pulling out of the pockets of hard working Americans. IMO, he can do like my oldest is right now and work his way through school, paying what he can and getting student loans. My middle son is saving now to send himself to school. It's called getting off the gravy train, R13, and standing on your own 2 feet and stop being a leach on society. I can see Left Wing politician written all over you. One thing for sure, you leaches sure do suc!

I'll repeat, I'm not eligible for any financial aid. But boo****ingwho if a tiny portion of some citizens help pay towards someones tuition so they can better themselves and get a good job - tell that to all the nurses that are on it too, those ****ing leeches huh? pathetic. So again, know a little something about the person before you spout off ignorantly about them.

I think they're offended by calling MapleGap a redneck, and saying he's done more with his life than him and R13 saying his education would be effected.
Financial Aid is just as bed as the welfare and food stamps these days. It's abused by students who want a rebate check.

To me, I took it like R13 is saying "rednecks" can't be educated in politics, or book smarts... little does he understand, I'm considered a redneck, raised that way, but I went to college, graduated, and am working on a Masters Degree.

MG has called himself like that a million times on here.
Let me just go over it again, since no one can grasp it even though I've explained it several times.

Country =/= Redneck. You're country as far as I know steer, not a redneck. Being country is just maybe talking, dressing, eating a certain way...just being who you are, because it's where you came from, that's great. A redneck is just usually a country person who is usually ignorant, overly aggressive, trashy and usually uneducated(which can just mean specific areas). They aren't the same, I know people like to call their self redneck, when they really mean county. That's what I was taught and what I believe and how I see the two, most I know understand the difference too.

Honestly its people like R13 that make me dislike democrats. I always voted for Boucher before this yr. I think I told R13 in a another thread IM glad your a Dem. Point being nothing will light a fire under voters asses like somebody of r13's likeness on the other side of the fence.

Lol could you please elaborate? I go about an argument like this when the person is being a dumbass and trying to get a rise out of me, I have no problem dishing it right back but with facts and info too. If some poster on a forum that you've never met is shaping your political identity, you really shouldn't be voting, that's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile.

[MapleGap]

I love this, you crying like a baby. Its hilarious, please keep going.

[steer]

Thank you very much.




Really? Well tell me a little more about that. Obama could put a 1 dollar on it and it be "record debt", I've always thought those shots at Obama were so funny, esp. when Bushes policies have added and will add trillions on to the debt now.




Uh, no. Congressman Boucher didn't help "write the bill", he was not an author of the bill with Mr. Waxley and Markey when it was written. They wrote it, then present it to the rest of congress, then congress can add an amendment to it if they want..that's what Congressman Boucher did. He added an amendment to the bill for coal companies, it takes an awful lot of pathetic grasping by anyone to assert that he "helped write the bill". He didn't "writing the bill", he added an amendment to the existing bill, that's not "writing it". You and definitely Morgie, are trying to somehow imply that Congressman Boucher sat down and wrote the bill with Waxley/Markey. I mean you both know the truth, yet continue to repeat it in that misleading context.




And what taxes have been raised on you or anyone else? List these massive tax hikes...





What "penalties"? Could you list them...

And your insurance probably went up because it was set to go up this year, next year too, give a big thank you to your insurance companies for that one. Of course they'll blame it on HCR, but no proof that it has really.




For someone that tries to come off so well-informed, it's kind of funny that you fell for or expect me to believe a chain email. Here's some fun facts for you...

Neither DeFazio nor Harkin introduced that act, they didn't co-sponsor it, nor publicly support it. Also, President Obama's "finance team" has ever recommended that bill/act, and it is soely the effort of one congressman - Chaka Fattah.

I'd do some research before I go spouting off like that like you just did. Btw, he didn't lie, because he didn't have anything to do with this act supported by one rep. That he never said he wanted or that we needed, it'll NEVER HAPPEN.



Hahahahahahahahahah I never thought you to be this far right. You do realize that the bill already is dead, it didn't even clear committee. All before the "House turned" might I add.





Lol And you say you went to college? lmao. Anyway, loss of funding means higher education costs and less opportunities. Again, you being the dumbass you are, somehow assume I'm on financial aid and anything. If you actually did know me, you'd know I'm not eligible for it. I've never gotten one cent of financial aid or a pell grant(though there isn't anything wrong with that at all), it's been paid by by smaller scholar ships and out of pocket. So keep on spouting off like you know me, that "wigger thing" is hilarious, several peolpe have met me on here and they could tell you how full of **** you are on that one. And go ahead and call yourself that, I don't care, it's not seen as a good thing to most people.




I'll repeat, I'm not eligible for any financial aid. But boo****ingwho if a tiny portion of some citizens help pay towards someones tuition so they can better themselves and get a good job - tell that to all the nurses that are on it too, those ****ing leeches huh? pathetic. So again, know a little something about the person before you spout off ignorantly about them.




MG has called himself like that a million times on here.
Let me just go over it again, since no one can grasp it even though I've explained it several times.

Country =/= Redneck. You're country as far as I know steer, not a redneck. Being country is just maybe talking, dressing, eating a certain way...just being who you are, because it's where you came from, that's great. A redneck is just usually a country person who is usually ignorant, overly aggressive, trashy and usually uneducated(which can just mean specific areas). They aren't the same, I know people like to call their self redneck, when they really mean county. That's what I was taught and what I believe and how I see the two, most I know understand the difference too.




Lol could you please elaborate? I go about an argument like this when the person is being a dumbass and trying to get a rise out of me, I have no problem dishing it right back but with facts and info too. If some poster on a forum that you've never met is shaping your political identity, you really shouldn't be voting, that's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile.

Thanks for clarifying what you define as redneck. With that definition, I am NOT a redneck then. Yes, I'm country..... but if MapleGap prides himself on that definition of redneck, then that's sad, bc those are the type that give educated people in SWVA a bad rep.

I'm still happy Boucher lost, I've been waiting on that for a long time. We really have no idea what Griffith will do, but a little change never hurts the area, he won't make SWVA any worse than it is.